First steps in MVS and Hercules, need to enable FTP access - please help

[kopche_eli]

Dear All,
I should resolve following task: I need to upload files to MVS using
FTP or SFTP.

Because actually I don't have access to real mainframe, I have desided
to use Hercules and MVS Turnkey for tests.
I have installed everything reading instructions, and stuck on
moment "MVS runs and what's next?". Actually I am not very sure that
everything runs properly, because I have one day experience :(

I will appreciate if someone takes a look on my questions and aswers:
1. Is it possible to use this configuration to resolve my task?
2. Could someone provide me some instructions (like for dummy) how to
configurate all stuff? I could make a build if it is necessary.

Thank you in advance,
Elena

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Post by kopche_eli
I should resolve following task: I need to upload files to MVS using
FTP or SFTP.
Because actually I don't have access to real mainframe, I have desided
to use Hercules and MVS Turnkey for tests.

The version of MVS in the turnkey distribution has no support
for ftp. The closest you can come is to ftp to your PC, and then
import the file (unZIP first if necessary) to MVS through the
card reader, a "tape" drive (if aws or het format), the XMIT370
receive function (non-IBM add-on), or whatever, depending on the
format and character set of your data.

For occasional problem files, I use a shareware version of
Regina to write a REXX file to handle any needed reformatting or
translations.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

new e-mail address: gerhardp (at) charter (dot) net

[kopche_eli]

Thank you for reply,
Not work for me. I need to test behavior during append of files on
mainframe.
Why it is not possible to add this ftp, server which is mentioned
here in forum?

Post by Gerhard Postpischil

Post by kopche_eli
I should resolve following task: I need to upload files to MVS using
FTP or SFTP.
Because actually I don't have access to real mainframe, I have desided
to use Hercules and MVS Turnkey for tests.

The version of MVS in the turnkey distribution has no support
for ftp. The closest you can come is to ftp to your PC, and then
import the file (unZIP first if necessary) to MVS through the
card reader, a "tape" drive (if aws or het format), the XMIT370
receive function (non-IBM add-on), or whatever, depending on the
format and character set of your data.
For occasional problem files, I use a shareware version of
Regina to write a REXX file to handle any needed reformatting or
translations.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
new e-mail address: gerhardp (at) charter (dot) net

[Gary Lee Phillips]

MVS in the era of version 3.8 did not do TCP/IP networking. Remember
that you are looking at the late 1970s here. File transfers into and
out of an MVS system normally took place on magnetic tape or (for
small files, such as you might use FTP for today) through the IND$FILE
interface. You can install IND$FILE. The program and instructions are
in the archives here I think. Most 3270 emulation programs will
interface to it and allow you to transfer files into and out of the
MVS environment.

To get a TCP/IP connection and something more like normal FTP, you
probably should install VM and run MVS as a guest operating system
under it.

[kopche_eli]

I have VMs.
From where I can get VMS? Is it payable?
Did you try this configuration? Does it work?

Elena

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
MVS in the era of version 3.8 did not do TCP/IP networking. Remember
that you are looking at the late 1970s here. File transfers into and
out of an MVS system normally took place on magnetic tape or (for
small files, such as you might use FTP for today) through the IND$FILE
interface. You can install IND$FILE. The program and instructions are
in the archives here I think. Most 3270 emulation programs will
interface to it and allow you to transfer files into and out of the
MVS environment.
To get a TCP/IP connection and something more like normal FTP, you
probably should install VM and run MVS as a guest operating system
under it.

[kopche_eli]

I asked about distribution of MVS :)
Some guidelines what should I search will be appretiated (version or
URL).

Post by kopche_eli
I have VMs.
From where I can get VMS? Is it payable?
Did you try this configuration? Does it work?
Elena

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
MVS in the era of version 3.8 did not do TCP/IP networking.

Remember

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
that you are looking at the late 1970s here. File transfers into and
out of an MVS system normally took place on magnetic tape or (for
small files, such as you might use FTP for today) through the IND$FILE
interface. You can install IND$FILE. The program and instructions are
in the archives here I think. Most 3270 emulation programs will
interface to it and allow you to transfer files into and out of the
MVS environment.
To get a TCP/IP connection and something more like normal FTP, you
probably should install VM and run MVS as a guest operating system
under it.

[kopche_eli]

Sorry, but I didn't understand very well the last idea.
Could someone explain me more detailed?

Post by kopche_eli
I asked about distribution of MVS :)
Some guidelines what should I search will be appretiated (version or
URL).

Post by kopche_eli
I have VMs.
From where I can get VMS? Is it payable?
Did you try this configuration? Does it work?
Elena

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
MVS in the era of version 3.8 did not do TCP/IP networking.

Remember

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
that you are looking at the late 1970s here. File transfers

into

Post by kopche_eli
and

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
out of an MVS system normally took place on magnetic tape or (for
small files, such as you might use FTP for today) through the

IND$FILE

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
interface. You can install IND$FILE. The program and

instructions

Post by kopche_eli
are

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
in the archives here I think. Most 3270 emulation programs will
interface to it and allow you to transfer files into and out of

the

Post by kopche_eli

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
MVS environment.
To get a TCP/IP connection and something more like normal FTP, you
probably should install VM and run MVS as a guest operating system
under it.

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello!
I believe they are referencing the 4-Pack VM distribution system. It
contains features already enabled for such things as guest operating
systems. While not having the need to try it out here, I do know from
reading the messages others have posted that it is an interesting process
and yes it does work very well.


For further details as to where this wonder is living at the moment, I
suggest you ask about it first on the regular Hercules list, and then
eventually you are invited to join the regular H390-VM list, and the
H390-MVS list. (Disclaimer, I do not run the regular Hercules list, just the
H390-* lists that I have mentioned.)
--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon-XfrvlLN1Pqtfpb/***@public.gmane.org
"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
 

-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of kopche_eli
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: First steps in MVS and Hercules, need to enable

FTP access -

please help
I have VMs.
From where I can get VMS? Is it payable?
Did you try this configuration? Does it work?
Elena

Post by Gary Lee Phillips
MVS in the era of version 3.8 did not do TCP/IP networking. Remember
that you are looking at the late 1970s here. File transfers into and
out of an MVS system normally took place on magnetic tape or (for
small files, such as you might use FTP for today) through the IND$FILE
interface. You can install IND$FILE. The program and instructions are
in the archives here I think. Most 3270 emulation programs will
interface to it and allow you to transfer files into and out of the
MVS environment.
To get a TCP/IP connection and something more like normal FTP, you
probably should install VM and run MVS as a guest operating system
under it.

[Peter J Farley III]

Post by kopche_eli
I have VMs.
From where I can get VMS? Is it payable?
Did you try this configuration? Does it work?

http://www.vm-4-hercules.com/

The distribution is for VM/370 (Release 6), with much additional work
by several folk around the globe.

VM/370 is a Virtual Machine operating system for the IBM/370
hardware. Each user who logs on to a VM/370 system gets their
own "virtual 370". There is also a single-user operating system that
can run in your personal virtual 370 for things like editig source
code, printing/punching files, assembling or compiling programs, etc.
This lovely little single-user OS is called CMS.

Well, you can also run classic "batch" operating systems in a virtual
machine, not just CMS. So, MVS 3.8J will run in a "virtual machine",
as will others like DOS or DOS/VS. It works, though there is a
performance penalty compared to running those "batch" systems directly
under Hercules.

Unfortunately, AFAIK *none* of these systems supports TCPIP, so your
original request cannot be satisfied.

However, you *can* run z/Linux under Hercules, and z/Linux certainly
supports TCPIP. If it is only TCPIP support you seek, that may be
your best bet.

HTH

Peter