Unable to startup TurnKey MVS 3.8 after installation. Help needed.

[Anyanso]

Hello group,

I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My situation is a follows:

I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs is as follows:

"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules directory or something like that?

Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?

Your help is highly appreciated.

Thanks

Phillips

[Mike Stramba]

Either add the hercules directory to your path environment variable, or
start the hercules program from it's directory.

Did you install the VmWare?

Are you running other stuff under VmWare ?

I can't resist giving you a mild "shot" .. you're installing a mainframe
O.S. in fairly sophisticated enviornment (VmWare), but you don't know about
windows / dos executable paths ? ;)

Mike

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I
am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules
directory or something like that?
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[Anyanso]

Hello Mike, Thanks for the "shot"...I can take!:)
But really, I am quite familiar with winsvr2003 and windows and DOS and a few other things. It's just that I was of the belief that once I have installed Hercules and MVS38J, startmvs will autofind Hercules and whatever else it requires. This being my first time of trying to play with this software, I wasn't even sure I got it right the first time...anyway

Again Thanks

Post by Mike Stramba
Either add the hercules directory to your path environment variable, or
start the hercules program from it's directory.
Did you install the VmWare?
Are you running other stuff under VmWare ?
I can't resist giving you a mild "shot" .. you're installing a mainframe
O.S. in fairly sophisticated enviornment (VmWare), but you don't know about
windows / dos executable paths ? ;)
Mike

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I
am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules
directory or something like that?
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[laddiehanus]

Since you installed Hercules first I am assuming you installed 3.07 (if not you should the version on turnkey is very old). In your sart menu there should be a folder Hercules and in that folder is a Hercules Command prompt. Start that, change to your mvs directory and do the startmvs.


Laddie

Post by Anyanso
Hello Mike, Thanks for the "shot"...I can take!:)
But really, I am quite familiar with winsvr2003 and windows and DOS and a few other things. It's just that I was of the belief that once I have installed Hercules and MVS38J, startmvs will autofind Hercules and whatever else it requires. This being my first time of trying to play with this software, I wasn't even sure I got it right the first time...anyway
Again Thanks

Post by Mike Stramba
Either add the hercules directory to your path environment variable, or
start the hercules program from it's directory.
Did you install the VmWare?
Are you running other stuff under VmWare ?
I can't resist giving you a mild "shot" .. you're installing a mainframe
O.S. in fairly sophisticated enviornment (VmWare), but you don't know about
windows / dos executable paths ? ;)
Mike

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I
am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules
directory or something like that?
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[Anyanso]

Thanks Laddie, I played around trying to solve my problem and ended up allowing TurnKey to install Hercules. That did not resolve my problem either, so I am going back to re-install the newer version Hercules and tryout your recommendation.

Again, thanks

Post by laddiehanus
Since you installed Hercules first I am assuming you installed 3.07 (if not you should the version on turnkey is very old). In your sart menu there should be a folder Hercules and in that folder is a Hercules Command prompt. Start that, change to your mvs directory and do the startmvs.
Laddie

Post by Anyanso
Hello Mike, Thanks for the "shot"...I can take!:)
But really, I am quite familiar with winsvr2003 and windows and DOS and a few other things. It's just that I was of the belief that once I have installed Hercules and MVS38J, startmvs will autofind Hercules and whatever else it requires. This being my first time of trying to play with this software, I wasn't even sure I got it right the first time...anyway
Again Thanks

Post by Mike Stramba
Either add the hercules directory to your path environment variable, or
start the hercules program from it's directory.
Did you install the VmWare?
Are you running other stuff under VmWare ?
I can't resist giving you a mild "shot" .. you're installing a mainframe
O.S. in fairly sophisticated enviornment (VmWare), but you don't know about
windows / dos executable paths ? ;)
Mike

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I
am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules
directory or something like that?
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[paoloG]

Post by Anyanso
Thanks Laddie, I played around trying to solve my problem and ended up allowing TurnKey to install Hercules. That did not resolve my problem either, so I am going back to re-install the newer version Hercules and tryout your recommendation.

If I may give you a suggestion: use HercGui.
You can choose the Hercules directory, so you'll avoid all the headhaches of defining Hercules path in your Windows machine.
I keep 6 or 7 versions of Hercules (in different directories) and I choose the one I prefer for doing speed tests and so on.

Regards.

Paul

[Ron Hudson]

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS. My
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think). However, I
am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I click on startmvs
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable
program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding Hercules
directory or something like that?

startmvs is not finding the hercules.exe file.

I installed my hercules in a directory right off the root of C: called
MVS38J (sorry that might be a little confusing naming
the emulator directory after the guest os)

so my hercules.exe is in C:\MVS38J\HERCULES\HERCULES.EXE yours may be in
another location?



Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?

Post by Anyanso
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[cedarlakebuzzards]

If I remember correctly, the MVS38j Turnkey is not set up to run under
VM. I installed MVS the same way you did and run it without VM. I
don't know what advantage running MVS as a guest OS gets you. It just
seems to complicate things.

I put Hercules in a parallel directory (i.e. D:\Hercules and D:\MVS38j)
since I have several OS and standalone systems. I did have to manually
adjust the path information to make things work in the .bat files and
config files.

Ed

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS.
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server

running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think).
However, I am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I

Post by Anyanso
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding
Hercules directory or something like that?

Post by Anyanso
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this problem?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[Anyanso]

Hello Ed,

Thanks for your post on this thread. No, MVS38j is not running directly under VMware. My configuration is VMware ---> Windows 2003--->MVS38j == 3 layers of "OS" if you include VMware.
Now that you mentioned it, I will one day try to run MVS38j as a Guest OS on VMware. But right now, I am just excited getting my own "Big Iron" all to myself!!

Thanks everyone

Post by cedarlakebuzzards
If I remember correctly, the MVS38j Turnkey is not set up to run under
VM. I installed MVS the same way you did and run it without VM. I
don't know what advantage running MVS as a guest OS gets you. It just
seems to complicate things.
I put Hercules in a parallel directory (i.e. D:\Hercules and D:\MVS38j)
since I have several OS and standalone systems. I did have to manually
adjust the path information to make things work in the .bat files and
config files.
Ed

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of Turnkey MVS OS.
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003 (x32) server

running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules first and
proceeded to download the turnkey package, extracted from the
turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8 successfuly (I think).
However, I am unable to startup MVS 3.8. The error that I get when I

Post by Anyanso
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not finding
Hercules directory or something like that?

Post by Anyanso
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this

problem?

Post by Anyanso
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

[paoloG]

Post by Anyanso
Hello Ed,
Thanks for your post on this thread. No, MVS38j is not running directly under VMware. My configuration is VMware ---> Windows 2003--->MVS38j == 3 layers of "OS" if you include VMware.
Now that you mentioned it, I will one day try to run MVS38j as a Guest OS on VMware. But right now, I am just excited getting my own "Big Iron" all to myself!!
Thanks everyone

If you use VMware Workstation 6.5 (as you said in your initial post)you have 5 layers: Windows or Linux host - VMware - Windows 2003 -Hercules - MVS38j.
Only VMware Server ESX (now ESXi) runs on bare metal (to tell the truth it's a heavily modified LINUX thar runs VMware..).
So IMHO it's better to run Hercules under your *FIRST* OS (Linux or Windows).
Don't try to run MVS38j as a Guest OS on VMware... you would be disappointed ;-)
MVS38j runs as a guest OS of Hercules under Linux or Windows; not VMware.

Regards.

Paul

[mg34_dan]

I cannot speak to VMWare, but I have been running Hercules/MVS38j exclusively under Microsoft Viurual PC for five years. Currently I am using a Dell Latitude D620, C2D 2.0, running Windows XP Pro as my host. I use VPC 2007 and run Hercules/MVS in a W98SE guest. I wanted a simple stable small footprint OS to run MVS on and 98SE qualified. I use an OS/2 WARP 4.5 guest and run CICS/OS2 in it. I also have an XP Pro guest running CICS/AD for Windows to do program development. I have never had a problem as all OS's are isolated and stable. I am in the process of migrating all my XP stuff over to a W7 guest.

Post by paoloG

Post by Anyanso
Hello Ed,
Thanks for your post on this thread. No, MVS38j is not running directly under VMware. My configuration is VMware ---> Windows 2003--->MVS38j == 3 layers of "OS" if you include VMware.
Now that you mentioned it, I will one day try to run MVS38j as a Guest OS on VMware. But right now, I am just excited getting my own "Big Iron" all to myself!!
Thanks everyone

If you use VMware Workstation 6.5 (as you said in your initial post)you have 5 layers: Windows or Linux host - VMware - Windows 2003 -Hercules - MVS38j.
Only VMware Server ESX (now ESXi) runs on bare metal (to tell the truth it's a heavily modified LINUX thar runs VMware..).
So IMHO it's better to run Hercules under your *FIRST* OS (Linux or Windows).
Don't try to run MVS38j as a Guest OS on VMware... you would be disappointed ;-)
MVS38j runs as a guest OS of Hercules under Linux or Windows; not VMware.
Regards.
Paul

[John R. Macdonald]

-----Original Message-----
From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of cedarlakebuzzards
Sent: samedi 1 mai 2010 03:06
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: Unable to startup TurnKey MVS 3.8 after
installation. Help needed.




If I remember correctly, the MVS38j Turnkey is not set up to run under
VM. I installed MVS the same way you did and run it without VM. I
don't know what advantage running MVS as a guest OS gets you. It just
seems to complicate things.

I put Hercules in a parallel directory (i.e. D:\Hercules and D:\MVS38j)
since I have several OS and standalone systems. I did have to manually
adjust the path information to make things work in the .bat files and
config files.

Ed

--------- snip -------------

Tongue in cheek: because running MVS under VM is the only proper way to run
MVS ;-)

(my VM sysprog friends say the same)

The VM distributions for Hercules have a MVS machine defined in the
directory so it's fairly

easy to run MVS 3.8J under VM.

John

[Dave Wade]

This is VMWare which is Virtualization for the x86 and i64 platform and
allows multiple copies of "PC" Operating systems to be run simultaneously on
a single box.

In the past the main reason for running MVS under VM was that it allowed a
single mainframe to run multiple copies of MVS, typically one production,
one for testing roll outs, and one for development. On "real iron" it does
also provide enhanced debugging via VMs PER facility, but I think Hercules
has most of that facility on the Hercules console. In fact its been
suggested that the VM/XA was only produced because the MVS developers needed
it to help develop MVS/XA...

Dave
G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

Post by John R. Macdonald
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 01 May 2010 02:06
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: Unable to startup TurnKey MVS 3.8
after installation. Help needed.
If I remember correctly, the MVS38j Turnkey is not set up to
run under VM. I installed MVS the same way you did and run
it without VM. I don't know what advantage running MVS as a
guest OS gets you. It just seems to complicate things.
I put Hercules in a parallel directory (i.e. D:\Hercules and
D:\MVS38j)
since I have several OS and standalone systems. I did have
to manually
adjust the path information to make things work in the .bat
files and config files.
Ed

Post by Anyanso
Hello group,
I am unable to start after I have completed install of

Turnkey MVS OS.

Post by Anyanso
I am trying to install the MVS software in a Windows2003

(x32) server
running under VMware 6.5 as a Guest OS. I installed Hercules
first and proceeded to download the turnkey package,
extracted from the turnkey-mvs-3.iso file, installed MVS 3.8
successfuly (I think). However, I am unable to startup MVS

Post by Anyanso
"'hercules' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file". Seems to me startmvs is not
finding Hercules directory or something like that?

Post by Anyanso
Can someone clue me in on what else I need to do to resolve this

problem?

Post by Anyanso
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillips

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