what is the difference between turnkey-mvs and hercules-390?

[A - R - U - N]

Dear All,
I'm new to this mainframe Emulators stuff. Any one of you, please help me with below questions.

1. Both "turnkey-mvs" and "hercules-390" are the same? Are from different vendors?

2. If both are from different vendor may I know which one is very good?

3. Do we have any other better Mainframe Emulator other then these 2?



Thanks
Arunkumar L

SYSPROC Z/OS

Mainframe and DBA Services,
Affiliated Computer Services Inc.

[Greg Price]

Post by A - R - U - N
Dear All,
I'm new to this mainframe Emulators stuff. Any one of you, please help me with below questions.
1. Both "turnkey-mvs" and "hercules-390" are the same? Are from different vendors?

They are two discussion groups for different but related topics.

hercules-390 is the "main" discussion group about the IBM mainframe
emulation software package called Hercules. Use this one for
technical questions about running Hercules on your chosen
platform.

Hercules is written in C and was originally a UNIX/Linux app (help me
out here guys) which can run under many flavours of UNIX/Linux
and now also has a native Windows version. Most but by no means
all of us run it on Intel and compatible systems.

turnkey-mvs is a group for discussing the specific package of the IBM MVS 3.8
operating system and associated software. MVS is one of the operating
systems that can be run under the Hercules emulator. Use this one to
talk about Volker Bandke's "Tur(n)Key" MVS distribution.

There are numerous other discussion groups related to Hercules focusing
on the various operating systems that can run under Hercules. There
is also an advocacy group for discussing the "political issues" of
Hercules.

For example, you could use the H390-MVS group to talk about running
any version of MVS under Hercules even if you did not install it from
a Turnkey package.

Many of the groups are moderated and so the moderator of such
a group needs to approve your application to join.

Post by A - R - U - N
2. If both are from different vendor may I know which one is very good?

Both are available for free but do very different things. One emulates
a particular family of hardware. The other is software to run on that
(real or emulated) hardware.

You may encounter a Turnkey CD image which contains an old version
of Hercules. I recommend getting the "latest" version and just take
the mainframe disk images from the CD.

Post by A - R - U - N
3. Do we have any other better Mainframe Emulator other then these 2?

Well, I guess you could write one, but it would be a lot of work
to make it "better" than Hercules.

Cheers,
Greg

[n9gtm]

Post by Greg Price
There are numerous other discussion groups related to Hercules
focusing on the various operating systems that can run under
Hercules. There is also an advocacy group for discussing the
"political issues" of Hercules.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/links

The above link is a decent list of the various Hercules-
related groups. As you can see there are quite a few,
mostly focusing on a specific operating system.

Welcome to the group!

[n9gtm]

Post by n9gtm
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/links

Sorry, I'm a little slow this morning; can't imagine I forgot to
mention this. There are another set of links that might be of
interest to you in the H390-MVS Links section under the "MVS3.8J" folder:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-MVS/links/MVS3_8J_001003551194/

There are a large number of resources available for someone who
wants to look into MVS38j further, many of them available via the
above link. Please let me know if you find any dead links, as I
try to keep them current.

[Steve And Grace Bovy]

New Versions Of Hercules will not run on XP




Is this a DLL assembly version problem ????

[Dave Wade]

Looks like it because the event log reports invalid side-by-side config....


Dave
G4UGM



-----Original Message-----
From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Steve And Grace Bovy
Sent: 10 January 2010 04:45
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Hercules svn version Dec 31 2009 or later ????




New Versions Of Hercules will not run on XP




Is this a DLL assembly version problem ????

[Dave Wade]

It looks like you need to install the VC++ Runtime security update

<http://tinyurl.com/nnzjyn> http://tinyurl.com/nnzjyn

Dave
G4UGM



-----Original Message-----
From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Steve And Grace Bovy
Sent: 10 January 2010 04:45
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Hercules svn version Dec 31 2009 or later ????




New Versions Of Hercules will not run on XP




Is this a DLL assembly version problem ????

[A - R - U - N]

Wowwww.... its really wonderful to hear. My own Mainframe on my laptop Oh my god....This is unbelievable.

Thanks a million for every one for replying me. This group is really very nice...lot of people working around with this group and giving immidiate response.




Thanks
Arunkumar L

SYSPROC Z/OS

Mainframe and DBA Services,
Affiliated Computer Services Inc.





________________________________
From: Mike Schwab <Mike.A.Schwab-***@public.gmane.org>
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 8:16:28 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: what is the difference between turnkey-mvs and hercules-390?


http://www-200. ibm.com/partnerw orld/pwhome. nsf/weblook/ pat_sas_zpdt. html
is available, but does require a bit of $$$$.

Anything you do on MVS 3.8 should be forward compatible to more modern
MVS/XA MVS/ESA OS/390 z/OS.

Post by A - R - U - N
I'm new to this mainframe Emulators stuff. Any one of
you, please help me with below questions.
1. Both "turnkey-mvs" and "hercules-390" are the same?

Those are groups/forums, not software.

Post by A - R - U - N
Are from different vendors?

The moderators of the groups are different.

Post by A - R - U - N
2. If both are from different vendor may I know which
one is very good?
3. Do we have any other better Mainframe Emulator other
then these 2?
SYSPROC Z/OS

I assume from all of the above that you wish to run
the MVS operating system.
There is more-or-less only 1 mainframe *hardware*
emulator available, which is Hercules. So you can
download the latest (3.06) version of that.
Now you want an operating system. Your choices here
are to get the IBM copyrighted version (z/OS, OS/390)
from somewhere, and run it illegally.
Or, you can run a free (legal) version of MVS, but
it's more-or-less old. The free versions of MVS
have been packaged by several different people.
You have mentioned one of them already - called TK3.
There's another one called MVS/380. Those are the
two most popular (in that order), as far as I can
guess from reading forums.
What is it that you actually want to do? Do you
want to compile C programs? MVS/380 does that the
best out of the free versions of MVS.
BFN. Paul.

[Fabrizzio Soares]

Dear Arunkumar,

until i know, the hercules-390 is only a emulator of architecture. The
Turnkey-mvs is a package with Hercules, and an old version of mvs
pré-configured. If you are a newbe, get the turnkey and install. I
have some trouble to install it in ubuntu with portuguese-br, but, in
english i believe thatŽs no problem.

Have a Happy new year.

Ps: Excuse-me for my poor english. ItŽs not my born language.

Fabrízzio Alphonsus

[A - R - U - N]

Dear Fabrízzio,
Thanks for your reply. Yes I successfully installed TK3....and its working fine. Wow I'm not able to believe it....my own MVS on my laptop.

And no worries on English....Its just a media to share info. even me to not good in that.

We all here to share info. and knowledge. You have that heart to share your knowledge. English is not a big deal...Friend.

Very happy new year Friend.


Thanks
Arunkumar L

SYSPROC Z/OS

Mainframe and DBA Services,
Affiliated Computer Services Inc.





________________________________
From: Fabrizzio Soares <fsoaresbr-/E1597aS9LRfJ/***@public.gmane.org>
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 8:08:17 AM
Subject: Re: [turnkey-mvs] what is the difference between turnkey-mvs and hercules-390?


Dear Arunkumar,

until i know, the hercules-390 is only a emulator of architecture. The
Turnkey-mvs is a package with Hercules, and an old version of mvs
pré-configured. If you are a newbe, get the turnkey and install. I
have some trouble to install it in ubuntu with portuguese-br, but, in
english i believe thatÂŽs no problem.

Have a Happy new year.

Ps: Excuse-me for my poor english. ItÂŽs not my born language.

Fabrízzio Alphonsus

[Fish]

Post by A - R - U - N
Dear All,
I'm new to this mainframe Emulators stuff. Any one of you,
please help me with below questions.
1. Both "turnkey-mvs" and "hercules-390" are the same?

No.

Hercules is the HARDWARE emulator:

http://www.hercules-390.org/hercfaq.html

"Hercules implements only the raw S/370, ESA/390, and
z/Architecture instruction set; it does not provide any
operating system facilities. This means that you need
to provide an operating system or standalone program
which Hercules can load from an emulated disk or tape
device. You will have to write the operating system
or standalone program yourself, unless you can manage to
obtain a license from IBM to run one of their operating
systems on your PC, or use IBM programs and operating
systems which have been placed in the public domain."


turnkey-mvs is a public domain OPERATING SYSTEM:

http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/

Post by A - R - U - N
Are from different vendors?

Yes.

Post by A - R - U - N
2. If both are from different vendor may I know
which one is very good?

BOTH are very good! :)

Post by A - R - U - N
3. Do we have any other better Mainframe Emulator
other then these 2?

http://www.p390.com/zpdt.htm


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