ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

[halfmeg]

<snip>
If there were changes that affected initializing
disk they may be after subversion? Code was being
looked at 2009-03-26

Snapshot page is basically static since 2/10/09, ie no updates to source so binary snapshots are the same. Inquiry posted on hercules main as to status and request for updated binary.

<snip>
If you use disks without alternate cylinders like
3390-2184, you might need to use ICKSADSF R16 or
specify MIMIC(MINI(2184)) to init? For ICKDSF R13
I thought that MIMIC would only work under VM so
MVS ICKDSF R13 might not work without a USERMOD?
It's been many years. I could remember wrong.

MIMIC works on standalone R13.

Do you need ICKDSF R13 PTFs or others from me?

Not for now.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/55799

IBM redbook SG24-4847 says that you need
ICKDSF 16.0A or later to format emulated dasd
(which has no alternate cylinders).
Earlier versions of ICKDSF can be used but
you would need to add MIMIC(MINI(nnn)) to the
CPVOLUME command (nnn=885 for 3380).

Which I tried with the standalone version of ICKDSF R13.0A, and this is what happened:

ICK005E DEFINE INPUT DEVICE, REPLY 'DDDD,CUU' OR 'CONSOLE'
ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
CONSOLE
ICK006E DEFINE OUTPUT DEVICE, REPLY 'DDDD,CUU' OR 'CONSOLE'
ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
CONSOLE
ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 09:24:50
09/17/08 PAGE 1

ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
CPVOLUME FORMAT UNIT(150) MIMIC(MINI(1113)) NOVERIFY VOLID(TEST93)
ICK03020I CPVOL IS OPERATING IN VM/370 MODE
ICK00700I DEVICE INFORMATION FOR 0150 IS CURRENTLY AS FOLLOWS:
PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990
STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = C2
DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 02
ICK03090I VOLUME SERIAL = TEST91
ICK03022I FORMATTING THE DEVICE WITHOUT FILLER RECORDS
ICK03011I CYLINDER RANGE TO BE FORMATTED IS 0 - 1112
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 0150 CONTENTS, ELSE T


CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
U
ICK03000I CPVOL REPORT FOR 0150 FOLLOWS:

FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 0 STARTED AT: 09:25:33
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 100 ENDED AT: 09:25:45
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 200 ENDED AT: 09:25:56
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 300 ENDED AT: 09:26:07
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 400 ENDED AT: 09:26:19
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 500 ENDED AT: 09:26:31
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 600 ENDED AT: 09:26:42
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 700 ENDED AT: 09:26:54
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 800 ENDED AT: 09:27:05
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 900 ENDED AT: 09:27:17
ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 09:24:50
09/17/08 PAGE 2
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1000 ENDED AT: 09:27:28
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1100 ENDED AT: 09:27:40
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1112 ENDED AT: 09:27:41

VOLUME SERIAL NUMBER IS NOW = TEST93


CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY

CYLINDER ALLOCATION CURRENTLY IS AS FOLLOWS:
TYPE START END TOTAL
---- ----- --- -----
PERM 0 1112 1113

ICK00001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
09:28:38 09/17/08

So is a CPVOLUME formatted DASD the same as a normal MVS INIT formated DASD ? The output mentions it operating in VM/370 mode.

And what happens when we try 3390-2184 created by dasdinit ?

ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
CPVOLUME FORMAT UNIT(152) MIMIC(MINI(2184)) NOVERIFY VOLID(TEST21)
ICK03020I CPVOL IS OPERATING IN VM/370 MODE
ICK00700I DEVICE INFORMATION FOR 0152 IS CURRENTLY AS FOLLOWS:
PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990
STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = C2
DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 06
ICK03090I VOLUME SERIAL = TS2184
ICK03022I FORMATTING THE DEVICE WITHOUT FILLER RECORDS
ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 09:24:50
09/17/08 PAGE 3


CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
ICK03011I CYLINDER RANGE TO BE FORMATTED IS 0 - 2183
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 0152 CONTENTS, ELSE T
ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
U
ICK03000I CPVOL REPORT FOR 0152 FOLLOWS:

FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 0 STARTED AT: 09:35:57
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 100 ENDED AT: 09:36:07
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 200 ENDED AT: 09:36:17
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 300 ENDED AT: 09:36:27
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 400 ENDED AT: 09:36:36
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 500 ENDED AT: 09:36:46
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 600 ENDED AT: 09:36:56
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 700 ENDED AT: 09:37:06
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 800 ENDED AT: 09:37:16
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 900 ENDED AT: 09:37:26
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1000 ENDED AT: 09:37:36
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1100 ENDED AT: 09:37:46
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1200 ENDED AT: 09:37:55
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1300 ENDED AT: 09:38:05
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1400 ENDED AT: 09:38:15


CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1500 ENDED AT: 09:38:25
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1600 ENDED AT: 09:38:44
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1700 ENDED AT: 09:38:54
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1800 ENDED AT: 09:39:04
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 1900 ENDED AT: 09:39:14
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 2000 ENDED AT: 09:39:25
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 2100 ENDED AT: 09:39:34
FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 2183 ENDED AT: 09:39:43
ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 09:24:50
09/17/08 PAGE 4
VOLUME SERIAL NUMBER IS NOW = TEST21

CYLINDER ALLOCATION CURRENTLY IS AS FOLLOWS:
TYPE START END TOTAL
---- ----- --- -----
PERM 0 2183 2184

ICK00001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
09:39:43 09/17/08

Phil

[somitcw]

Post by halfmeg

<snip>
If there were changes that affected initializing
disk they may be after subversion? Code was being
looked at 2009-03-26

Snapshot page is basically static since 2/10/09,
ie no updates to source so binary snapshots are
the same. Inquiry posted on hercules main as to
status and request for updated binary.

For newer snapshots, I replied:

Are you also looking for:

http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

Post by halfmeg

<snip>
If you use disks without alternate cylinders like
3390-2184, you might need to use ICKSADSF R16 or
specify MIMIC(MINI(2184)) to init? For ICKDSF R13
I thought that MIMIC would only work under VM so
MVS ICKDSF R13 might not work without a USERMOD?
It's been many years. I could remember wrong.

MIMIC works on standalone R13.

That good. We also need it to run under MVS.

Post by halfmeg

Do you need ICKDSF R13 PTFs or others from me?

Not for now.

- - - snipped - - -

Post by halfmeg
So is a CPVOLUME formatted DASD the same as
a normal MVS INIT formated DASD ? The output
mentions it operating in VM/370 mode.

- - - snipped - - -

A CPVOLUME is formatted with 4KB blocks with
weird record numbers. It has a dummy VTOC that
I believe was a short copy of a 2314 VTOC.
The volume label is the same. MVS is happy with
the disk being mounted but can't do much with it.

ICKDSF REFORMAT or INIT might be able to
write a valid VTOC for MVS' use?

[halfmeg]

<snip>
http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

If there is a pointer for that somewhere, I missed it. Thanks, but I'll probalby forget it soon.

That good. We also need it to run under MVS.

Hmm, don't have the R13 manual at hand at the moment, but R16 states MINI is standalone use only.

<snip>
A CPVOLUME is formatted with 4KB blocks with
weird record numbers. It has a dummy VTOC that
I believe was a short copy of a 2314 VTOC.
The volume label is the same. MVS is happy with
the disk being mounted but can't do much with it.
ICKDSF REFORMAT or INIT might be able to
write a valid VTOC for MVS' use?

I'm much happier with this:

ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 11:47:03
09/17/08 PAGE 1

ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
INIT UNIT(150) DEVTYP(3390) MIMIC(MINI(1113)) NOVERIFY VOLID(TEST93)
ICK00700I DEVICE INFORMATION FOR 0150 IS CURRENTLY AS FOLLOWS:
PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990
STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = C2
DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 02
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 0150 CONTENTS, ELSE T
ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:
U
ICK01313I VOLUME CONTAINS 0 ALTERNATE TRACKS -- 0 AVAILABLE.
ICK01314I VTOC IS LOCATED AT CCHH=X'0000 0001' AND IS 1 TRACKS.


CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
ICK00001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
11:47:46 09/17/08

ENTER INPUT/COMMAND:

even if it is only available in the standalone version. Which hasn't been confirmed yet.

Phil

[Dave Wade]

I don't think that:-

MIMIC(MINI(1113))

Tells DSF to format as CP Volume. It tells the system that the disk is a CP
minidisk, and as such:-

1. The cylinder numbers DSF sees are virtual cylinder numbers, and may not
match the physical cylinder numbers.

2. Some features of the device, such as alternate cylinders, may not be
available.

I don't think it alters anything else. However I can't find a DSF manual to
check...

Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of halfmeg
Sent: 19 April 2009 05:07
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

<snip>
http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

If there is a pointer for that somewhere, I missed it. Thanks, but I'll
probalby forget it soon.

That good. We also need it to run under MVS.

Hmm, don't have the R13 manual at hand at the moment, but R16 states MINI
is standalone use only.

<snip>
A CPVOLUME is formatted with 4KB blocks with
weird record numbers. It has a dummy VTOC that
I believe was a short copy of a 2314 VTOC.
The volume label is the same. MVS is happy with
the disk being mounted but can't do much with it.
ICKDSF REFORMAT or INIT might be able to
write a valid VTOC for MVS' use?

ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 11:47:03
09/17/08 PAGE 1
INIT UNIT(150) DEVTYP(3390) MIMIC(MINI(1113)) NOVERIFY VOLID(TEST93)
PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990
STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = C2
DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 02
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 0150 CONTENTS, ELSE T
U
ICK01313I VOLUME CONTAINS 0 ALTERNATE TRACKS -- 0 AVAILABLE.
ICK01314I VTOC IS LOCATED AT CCHH=X'0000 0001' AND IS 1 TRACKS.
CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
ICK00001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
11:47:46 09/17/08
even if it is only available in the standalone version. Which hasn't been confirmed yet.
Phil
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

[somitcw]

- - - all snipped - - -

For real success initializing a 3390-1 with
ICKDSF r13 under TK3, see:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/57221

I may try a 3390-2184 next week-end?

[halfmeg]

Post by somitcw
- - - all snipped - - -
For real success initializing a 3390-1 with
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/57221
I may try a 3390-2184 next week-end?

Which is even better and looks to provide full function of ICKDSF for 3390s.

Post by somitcw
Just tried it with hercules 3.06. 3390 volumes get the same error.
3380 volumes work if alternate cylinders exist and the pack is
varied online and then offline before the batch job is run. Looking
at the 390-mvs message it appears I used 3390's before. Perhaps this
level of DSF is too old for 3390's.

somitcw's further isolation of the problem permits correct operation for 3390's with both the standalone and batch versions of ICKDSF R13.

Standalone version was tested with a config entry like:

190 3390 test90 cu=3880

Batch operation probably needs the same 'cu=3880' for each 3390 attempting to be operated on with ICKDSF. Not sure about 3375s & 3380s as we haven't tried them or batch operation yet.

Phil

[somitcw]

--- In turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org,
"halfmeg" <***@...> wrote:
- - - snipped - - -

Post by halfmeg
190 3390 test90 cu=3880

I haven't tried stand-alone. Batch works for
3390-1 with cu=3880 in the configuration file.
I always define alternate tracks for standard
disk sizes like 3390-1

Post by halfmeg
Batch operation probably needs the same
'cu=3880' for each 3390 attempting to be
operated on with ICKDSF. Not sure about
3375s & 3380s as we haven't tried them or
batch operation yet.
Phil

3380s default to cu=3880 so no need to code.
No problem with older stuff like 3375 because
they also default to control units older than
3990.

9345s will need cu=3880 coded because they
default to cu=9343 which Hercules has cacheing.

To summerize:
3390 need cu=3880 for MVS 3.8j
9345 need cu=3880 for MVS 3.8j
All other disk default to old enough control
units for MVS support.

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Post by somitcw
9345s will need cu=3880 coded because they
default to cu=9343 which Hercules has cacheing.

So I have to give up 2302 support? (same UCBTBYT4 value of x'04'
as 9345)

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

[somitcw]

Post by Gerhard Postpischil

Post by somitcw
9345s will need cu=3880 coded because they
default to cu=9343 which Hercules has cacheing.

So I have to give up 2302 support? (same UCBTBYT4
value of x'04' as 9345)
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

IBM did reuse. Something has to give.
I believe that we only had one person that
needed 9345. How many need 2302?

I believe that a 9345-2 is the largest
standard disk that we can have?
9345-2 ( 2156 cylinders ) 1.4GB/1.5GB
depending on how you measure.

[Gerhard Postpischil]

IBM did reuse. Something has to give.
I believe that we only had one person that
needed 9345. How many need 2302?

About the same as need a 2321? I'm not objecting, but will have
to track down a number of programs that have dependencies -
currently they use an AIF for ESA as the cross-over.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

[Small]

I have a simiar issue in MVS. I run ICKDSF with INIT on a 3390 virtual disk, but ICKDSF in MVS 380 doesn't recognize the 3390 device type. THere could be an old PTF somewhere to patch ICKDSF, but I have no idea where to look for it. MIMIC won't work in MVS either.
It's not a killer, I can live without 3390, but it would be nice to have.

Roger

Post by Dave Wade
I don't think that:-
MIMIC(MINI(1113))
Tells DSF to format as CP Volume. It tells the system that the disk is a CP
minidisk, and as such:-
1. The cylinder numbers DSF sees are virtual cylinder numbers, and may not
match the physical cylinder numbers.
2. Some features of the device, such as alternate cylinders, may not be
available.
I don't think it alters anything else. However I can't find a DSF manual to
check...
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of halfmeg
Sent: 19 April 2009 05:07
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

<snip>
http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

If there is a pointer for that somewhere, I missed it. Thanks, but I'll
probalby forget it soon.

That good. We also need it to run under MVS.

Hmm, don't have the R13 manual at hand at the moment, but R16 states MINI
is standalone use only.

<snip>
A CPVOLUME is formatted with 4KB blocks with
weird record numbers. It has a dummy VTOC that
I believe was a short copy of a 2314 VTOC.
The volume label is the same. MVS is happy with
the disk being mounted but can't do much with it.
ICKDSF REFORMAT or INIT might be able to
write a valid VTOC for MVS' use?

ICKDSF - SA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 13.0A TIME: 11:47:03
09/17/08 PAGE 1
INIT UNIT(150) DEVTYP(3390) MIMIC(MINI(1113)) NOVERIFY VOLID(TEST93)
PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990
STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = C2
DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 02
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 0150 CONTENTS, ELSE T
U
ICK01313I VOLUME CONTAINS 0 ALTERNATE TRACKS -- 0 AVAILABLE.
ICK01314I VTOC IS LOCATED AT CCHH=X'0000 0001' AND IS 1 TRACKS.
CLEAR SCREEN WHEN READY
ICK00001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
11:47:46 09/17/08
even if it is only available in the standalone version. Which hasn't been
confirmed yet.
Phil
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

[laddiehanus]

Post by Small
I have a simiar issue in MVS. I run ICKDSF with INIT on a 3390 virtual disk, but ICKDSF in MVS 380 doesn't recognize the 3390 device type. THere could be an old PTF somewhere to patch ICKDSF, but I have no idea where to look for it. MIMIC won't work in MVS either.
It's not a killer, I can live without 3390, but it would be nice to have.
Roger

Back in the dark ages when we ran MVS 3.8 on real hardware in order to use 3380 devices on the non SP/SE versions of MVS one had install the predecessor to DFP along with a $4000/mo piece of software that allowed the support to run without MVS/SP 1.x ICKDSF R13 is looking for that software. I dont think 3390 devices even existed at this time) The mods that are on the Turnkey allow 3380 devices to work (And updated for 3390 and 3375) but do not install the support that ICKDSF looks for.

I have ICKDSF documentation for R15 and MIMIC(MINI()) is only allowed in the standalone version.

Laddie Hanus

[Roger W. Suhr]

Yes, You're right. Now: Where can I get the SA version of ICKDSF? The
3390 that came with TK are working fine, I just tried to create one more.

Roger



From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of laddiehanus
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:27 PM
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

I have a simiar issue in MVS. I run ICKDSF with INIT on a 3390 virtual

disk, but ICKDSF in MVS 380 doesn't recognize the 3390 device type. THere
could be an old PTF somewhere to patch ICKDSF, but I have no idea where to
look for it. MIMIC won't work in MVS either.

It's not a killer, I can live without 3390, but it would be nice to have.
Roger

Back in the dark ages when we ran MVS 3.8 on real hardware in order to use
3380 devices on the non SP/SE versions of MVS one had install the
predecessor to DFP along with a $4000/mo piece of software that allowed the
support to run without MVS/SP 1.x ICKDSF R13 is looking for that software. I
dont think 3390 devices even existed at this time) The mods that are on the
Turnkey allow 3380 devices to work (And updated for 3390 and 3375) but do
not install the support that ICKDSF looks for.

I have ICKDSF documentation for R15 and MIMIC(MINI()) is only allowed in the
standalone version.

Laddie Hanus

[Rick Fochtman]

TYry looking in SYS1.SAMPLIB. That's where it's usually distributed.

Rick
--------------------------------------------------

Post by Roger W. Suhr
Yes, You're right. Now: Where can I get the SA version of ICKDSF?
The 3390 that came with TK are working fine, I just tried to create
one more.
Roger
On Behalf Of laddiehanus
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

I have a simiar issue in MVS. I run ICKDSF with INIT on a 3390

virtual disk, but ICKDSF in MVS 380 doesn't recognize the 3390 device
type. THere could be an old PTF somewhere to patch ICKDSF, but I have
no idea where to look for it. MIMIC won't work in MVS either.

It's not a killer, I can live without 3390, but it would be nice to

have.

Roger

Back in the dark ages when we ran MVS 3.8 on real hardware in order to
use 3380 devices on the non SP/SE versions of MVS one had install the
predecessor to DFP along with a $4000/mo piece of software that
allowed the support to run without MVS/SP 1.x ICKDSF R13 is looking
for that software. I dont think 3390 devices even existed at this
time) The mods that are on the Turnkey allow 3380 devices to work (And
updated for 3390 and 3375) but do not install the support that ICKDSF
looks for.
I have ICKDSF documentation for R15 and MIMIC(MINI()) is only allowed
in the standalone version.
Laddie Hanus

[Roger W. Suhr]

Oh, yes that's where it is, thanks --- got it!



Roger



From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:46 PM
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success





TYry looking in SYS1.SAMPLIB. That's where it's usually distributed.

Rick
--------------------------------------------------
Roger W. Suhr wrote:



Yes, You're right. Now: Where can I get the SA version of ICKDSF? The
3390 that came with TK are working fine, I just tried to create one more.

Roger



From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of laddiehanus
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:27 PM
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success

I have a simiar issue in MVS. I run ICKDSF with INIT on a 3390 virtual

disk, but ICKDSF in MVS 380 doesn't recognize the 3390 device type. THere
could be an old PTF somewhere to patch ICKDSF, but I have no idea where to
look for it. MIMIC won't work in MVS either.

It's not a killer, I can live without 3390, but it would be nice to have.
Roger

Back in the dark ages when we ran MVS 3.8 on real hardware in order to use
3380 devices on the non SP/SE versions of MVS one had install the
predecessor to DFP along with a $4000/mo piece of software that allowed the
support to run without MVS/SP 1.x ICKDSF R13 is looking for that software. I
dont think 3390 devices even existed at this time) The mods that are on the
Turnkey allow 3380 devices to work (And updated for 3390 and 3375) but do
not install the support that ICKDSF looks for.

I have ICKDSF documentation for R15 and MIMIC(MINI()) is only allowed in the
standalone version.

Laddie Hanus

[afgcons]

Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from Hercules. See

http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html

Thanks Raphael !!

Andreas F. Geissbuehler

[Small]

Ok, I hi this site this morning, and immediatly Norton Internet Security reorted this site infected with some 26 threads.

Be careful!

Post by afgcons
Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from Hercules. See
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html
Thanks Raphael !!
Andreas F. Geissbuehler

[rptv2003]

Hi all,

I know this is getting a bit OFF TOPIC. I am sorry for that. But just in case someone is interested in this point, I have checked the contents under http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ and they are exactly what they were supposed to be. No malicious contents at all.

Regards,

Rafa.

Post by Small
Ok, I hi this site this morning, and immediatly Norton Internet Security reorted this site infected with some 26 threads.
Be careful!

Post by afgcons
Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from Hercules. See
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html
Thanks Raphael !!
Andreas F. Geissbuehler

[afg0510-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/]

Rafa[el Pereira?],

Please correct me if I am wrong, "perso.wanadoo.es" is a personal home page
hosting site, likely abused by many of its users. While Norton isn't wrong
per se, this link scan stuff is for kids, computer dummies and the naive,
me-know-it-all's. IMHO all others are better off to point their routers at
OpenDNS's free or paid service (http://www.opendns.com/)
and practise the TCP/IP version of "safe sex". However anyone who disagrees
with me should renew the subscription to whatever his/her PC must smoke.

Andreas F. Geissbuehler

----- Original Message -----
From: rptv2003 wote:
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:42 AM

Post by rptv2003
I know this is getting a bit OFF TOPIC. I am sorry for that. But just in
case
someone is interested in this point, I have checked the contents under
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ and they are exactly what they were
supposed to be. No malicious contents at all.

Regards,

Rafa.

Post by rptv2003
Ok, I hi this site this morning, and immediatly Norton Internet Security
reorted this site infected with some 26 threads.
Be careful!

Post by afgcons
Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website
where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to
build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from
Hercules. See
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html
Thanks Raphael !!
Andreas F. Geissbuehler

[Roger W. Suhr]

Hey Andreas,



There is no need to get so snappy! I got a warning and I shared it with the
group, that's all.

If you don't like NIS, you may keep it to yourself. I get these warnings on
less than 1% of the sites I visit, so when it happens I pay attention.
Symantec allows the site owner to update the information, and correct any
issues.



Thanks for the tip with OpenDNS though, I will surely pay the a visit.



Roger W. Suhr





From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of afg0510-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:44 PM
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success





Rafa[el Pereira?],

Please correct me if I am wrong, "perso.wanadoo.es" is a personal home page
hosting site, likely abused by many of its users. While Norton isn't wrong
per se, this link scan stuff is for kids, computer dummies and the naive,
me-know-it-all's. IMHO all others are better off to point their routers at
OpenDNS's free or paid service (http://www.opendns.com/)
and practise the TCP/IP version of "safe sex". However anyone who disagrees
with me should renew the subscription to whatever his/her PC must smoke.

Andreas F. Geissbuehler

----- Original Message -----
From: rptv2003 wote:
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:42 AM

Post by rptv2003
I know this is getting a bit OFF TOPIC. I am sorry for that. But just in
case
someone is interested in this point, I have checked the contents under
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ and they are exactly what they were
supposed to be. No malicious contents at all.

Regards,

Rafa.

Post by rptv2003
Ok, I hi this site this morning, and immediatly Norton Internet Security
reorted this site infected with some 26 threads.
Be careful!

Post by afgcons
Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website
where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to
build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from
Hercules. See
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html
Thanks Raphael !!
Andreas F. Geissbuehler

[afg0510-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/]

Hey Roger,

There is no need to get so snappy! You got a false positive from a
questionable tool or source about the content posted by an esteemed
professional and member of our community who's accomplishments I recommended
here. I am also a part-time sysop, run my own websever (apache, mysql) and
my statement about Link Scanners has nothing to do with "feelings" towards
NIS.

I believe BOTH of our intentions were well meant and, although somewhat OFF
TOPIC, served a purpose. THE END (feel free to respond, but let's take it
off-list).

Andreas F. Geissbuehler

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Original Message From: Roger W. Suhr
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:24 PM

Hey Andreas,

There is no need to get so snappy! I got a warning and I shared it with the
group, that's all.
If you don't like NIS, you may keep it to yourself. I get these warnings on
less than 1% of the sites I visit, so when it happens I pay attention.
Symantec allows the site owner to update the information, and correct any
issues.

Thanks for the tip with OpenDNS though, I will surely pay the a visit.

Roger W. Suhr

-----------------------------------------------------------
From: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of ***@v.....
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:44 PM
To: turnkey-mvs-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [turnkey-mvs] Re: ICKDSF R13 Formatting a 3390 - Success


Rafa[el Pereira?],

Please correct me if I am wrong, "perso.wanadoo.es" is a personal home page
hosting site, likely abused by many of its users. While Norton isn't wrong
per se, this link scan stuff is for kids, computer dummies and the naive,
me-know-it-all's. IMHO all others are better off to point their routers at
OpenDNS's free or paid service (http://www.opendns.com/)
and practise the TCP/IP version of "safe sex". However anyone who disagrees
with me should renew the subscription to whatever his/her PC must smoke.

Andreas F. Geissbuehler

----- Original Message -----
From: rptv2003 wote:
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:42 AM

Post by rptv2003
I know this is getting a bit OFF TOPIC. I am sorry for that. But just in
case
someone is interested in this point, I have checked the contents under
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ and they are exactly what they were
supposed to be. No malicious contents at all.

Regards,

Rafa.

Post by rptv2003
Ok, I hi this site this morning, and immediatly Norton Internet Security
reorted this site infected with some 26 threads.
Be careful!

Post by afgcons
Somewhat unrelated Google brought me to Raphael Pereira III's website
where I found "IPL from CD: DFSMSdss and ICKDSF STAND-ALONE", how to
build it from different versions found SAMPLIBs and how to IPL from
Hercules. See
http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html
Thanks Raphael !!
Andreas F. Geissbuehler